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Phil.Anderson
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4 months ago

30th Jan AMA: I'm Phil Anderson, GM Policy, Advocacy & Standards at FAAA, Ask Me Anything!

Where is the DBFO reform process at right now? What's the latest on the CSLR, and how much could it cost in 2025/26? Are there upcoming regulatory changes that could impact my business? 

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  • Thank you everyon, for your questions and engagement, and a massive thank you Phil  for sharing your experience and insight.

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  • No questions on CSLR yet. Let me then advise that we will very shortly know what the cost of the scheme is projected to be in the 2025/26 financial year. The CSLR have already made it clear that it will be more than $20m for the financial advice sector. The CSLR can issue a levy for up to $20m for each sector. Where the estimate for a sector is greater than $20m, it is referred to the Minister and the Minister can chose to take one of three options:

    • Defer payment of claims over multiple periods.
    • Charge the relevant sector the full amount
    • Charge multiple sectors, including those who are not otherwise caught by the CSLR levy.

    Deferring payment is not the answer. We have a huge amount that needs to be paid out and taking this option would just drag out the Dixon Advisory mess (and other messes) for years to come. Our firm preference is for the Minister to commit to not charging the advice profession more than $20m in any one year and spreading the excess over a broad range of other sectors, including the banks, insurers, super funds and MISs. We seek a timely response from Government on  this, as no sector can afford to have a large contingent liability standing over both existing operators and potential new entrants.

  • How might Minister Stephen Jones' retirement, announced today, and the upcoming Federal election affect advice legislation and any regulatory changes this year?

     

    • Phil.Anderson's avatar
      Phil.Anderson
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      HI Fosca. A change of Minister is a reality in politics and the policy/advocacy world. The announcement today came a s a bit of a surprise, particularly so close to an expected election. We thought everyone who was leaving had already announced their plans and delivered their final speeches. Yes a change of Minister will have an impact. You need to start with someone new and help them to understand our issues. We anticipate that the policies will not change, at least at the start. We assume that the current Minister will stay in the role until the election is called, and hope that progress can continue on all the fronts that are important to us.

      A change of Minister is always a factor any time there is an election. A change of Government results in a new Minister, and that process is more complicated as you are likely to see more substantial policy changes. Most things in the policy and advocacy space move slowly, so you have little choice but to take these things in your stride and work with whoever is calling the shots. The parliament is sitting for the next two weeks. After that, whenever the election is called, we are unsure, however we know it is getting close.

      We thank Minister Jones for his time as the Minister and prior to that as the Shadow Minister. We wish him well for the future.

  • kenny.foo's avatar
    kenny.foo
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    Hey Phil! Hope you're doing well! I would like to hear the latest on the DBFO reforms.

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      Phil.Anderson
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      Hi Kenny. Good to hear from you. I hope you are well also. Further to my earlier answers, it is fair to say that DBFO is currently looking like a mixed bag, with delayed progress on Tranche 2 and some ongoing issues with Tranche 1. We are currently working with Treasury and ASIC on a problem with fee consent forms, in that the adviser must include an account number on the form that is provided to product providers, however for new products, this account number may not be available at the time of the application. We are also working through implementation issues around the ability to change the anniversary date for the purposes of both renewal and the provision of fee consent to the product provider. There is clearly a lot more work that needs to be done to get what we really want out of this, which is substantial improvements in efficiency. We will keep working hard to better achieve this outcome in 2025.

  • Hi Phil, 

    Curious as to what you think of the (vague) proposal by Treasury to turn the best interests duty into an "outcomes-focused duty". To me, it sounds like a roundabout way of implementing something like Michelle Levy's good advice duty. 

    Do you think there's merit to this idea? Are there risks involved in focusing on outcomes (however defined) over professional conduct? 

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      Hi Alex. Good question. The point about an 'outcomes focussed duty' is an important one. At present the Best Interests Duty is managed and overseen by ASIC in the form of a process based duty. Almost everyone relies upon the safe harbour and this requires careful documentation of all steps taken to comply with this duty. What we want is an operating environment where advisers can rely upon their professional judgement and be assessed on the outcome, not the process that they have followed to get to that outcome.

      I think that the ability to rely upon professional judgement was part of what Michelle Levy was trying to do, however she also pushed the idea of a Good Advice duty, however this was only intended to apply to NCAs. It is more critical that fully qualified advisers can rely upon their professional judgement. There was merit in the Good Advice Duty, however this is not part of the DBFO proposal.

      The risk in this will be the way that ASIC oversees it and whether licensees and advisers can feel confident in operating in this environment. It is a change that we want to see, however it has to be done well, so that everyone is comfortable with the new world and we don’t end out drifting back to the old process based way of doing things.

  • Hi Phil, thanks for taking your time to answer these questions! Has the government provided any further information this year regarding what tranche 2 changes would look like regarding SOA's and the potential removal or amendments? Also, what do you think of the removal of the safe harbour steps and will it have a big impact on the advice process? 

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      Finally, rationalisation of advice documents is probably the most critical part of the DBFO reforms. We are optimistic that this will deliver a meaningful benefit to the advice profession. Once again, professional judgement, rather than a process based approach will be an important outcome.

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      Hi Mat, thanks for your question. Disappointingly there has been no further announcements on DBFO Tranche 2 so far in 2025.We have been waiting for the release of the DBFO Tranche 2 draft legislation, however that is yet to arrive. This is all at the time when we are awaiting an election to be called, and have earlier today been advised that the Minister is retiring from politics. As advice documentation is part of the DBFO Tranche 2 package, by direct implication, we have not heard anything further on that either.

      With respect to the repeal of the safe harbour, we are supportive of the rationale for this. Compliance with the safe harbour has become a demanding part of the process of delivering financial advice. ASIC class order 14/923 substantially increased the record keeping obligations with respect to demonstrating compliance with the Best Interests Duty, that required documentation of action taken with respect to every step in the safe harbour. This and other action from ASIC resulted in the creation of lengthy check-off lists, which has put a real handbrake on the delivery of financial advice. For this reason alone, we expect that the removal of the safe harbour will improve the efficiency of the delivery of financial advice.

      We favour a move to a world where advisers can rely upon their professional judgement, rather than detailed record keeping, as is currently required.

  • ataia.elhage's avatar
    ataia.elhage
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    Hi Phil,

    Are you seeing many Advisers/Licensees move from providing an FSG to clients to the new Website Disclosure Information and if not is there a reason why? Am I correct in understanding that we can upload our FSG as is but have to rename it as Website Disclosure Information and therefore refer to is as such in documentation, is references to the FSG in all advice docs, letters, marketing material  etc would have to remove any reference to FSG and replace with website disclosure?

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      Thanks Ataia. The ability to address the FSG obligations through the disclosure of information on an adviser’s website was an important part of DBFO Tranche 1. It ran into problems, when it was discovered that it only covered financial advice and did not cover dealing, which is an essential activity for any financial adviser helping their clients to implement the advice. Fortunately, ASIC stepped in to provide regulatory relief on this issue, however it has caused a hold up.

      I might not be the closest to where this is at in the marketplace, however I understand that it is a bit mixed. Some licensees are taking advantage of it, whilst others are holding off to wait for a permanent solution to the ‘dealing’ problem. At this stage, it might be around half and half.

      • ataia.elhage's avatar
        ataia.elhage
        Virtual Explorer

        Thanks Phil - can you clarify if we need to replace FSG with Website Disclosure and as a result refer to it as such?

  • Hi Phil - has there been any movement with getting a generic fee consent form drafted?

    Cheers

    Jessica

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      Phil.Anderson
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      Hi Jessica, and thanks for your question. The honest answer is that fee consent is a bit of a mess at the moment. The Minister had the power to mandate a fee consent form, however he has not used that power at this stage. Treasury did not prioritise this issue and consultation on the design of a form was delayed. In the meantime, product providers have built their own forms and very few of them meet the obligations that advisers face. Thus, advisers are faced with the need to get clients to sign their own forms and to sign other forms for the product provider(s). We have not come a long way forward with this. At least we have got rid of FDSs.

      Ultimately, we would like to move away from forms and see the development of a technology based solution so that an adviser can send an electronic fee consent package to a client via an app on their phone, and the client can click a button to accept the fee arrangement, with all necessary approvals electronically sent to the product provider(s).

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